A Guest Publication
“The Neocons Are Dying to Nuke
An interview with Dr. Paul Craig
By Kathy Sanborn
Pubished in August 2008
As a way of an introduction by The
M+G+R Foundation to Ms. Sanborn's interview - For those who do
not know Dr. Paul Craig Roberts
No, he is not a flaming Democratic Liberal as many would like to think
to discount what he has to say. According to Wikipedia:
Craig Roberts (born April 3, 1939, in Atlanta, Georgia) is an economist
and a nationally syndicated columnist for Creators Syndicate. He served as an Assistant
Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan Administration earning fame as
the "Father of Reaganomics". He is a former editor and columnist for
the Wall Street Journal, Business Week, and Scripps Howard News Service.
He is a graduate of the Georgia Institute of Technology and he holds a
Ph.D. from the University of Virginia. He was a post-graduate at the
University of California, Berkeley, and Oxford University where he was
a member of Merton College.
In 1992 he received the Warren
Brookes Award for Excellence in Journalism. In 1993 the Forbes Media
Guide ranked him as one of the top seven journalists in the United
Dr. Roberts, in essence - whether he knows of the existence of miguel
de Portugal or not - is lending a high profiled "face" and "name" to
what we have been announcing worldwide via our Domains since 1998, and
before the Domains went on line, since 1991-1992.
We are not trying to coattail on Dr. Roberts - we do not have to. We are
now just giving a know "face" to the information for those who cannot
recognize a top-of-the-line handbag unless it has a Gucci or LV
signature on it or a fine evening gown unless it has Givenchy written
all over it.
At this point we want to ask our readers to keep Dr. Roberts in your
prayers. Because he is speaking the truth without hesitation and he is
well known, he "may have an unfortunate accident". As you should know
by now - prayers could shield him should it be the Will of God.
Interview with Dr. Paul Craig Roberts by Kathy Sanborn
Sanborn: When I read your
article, "Marching Off Into Tyranny" (1), I was
impressed by how you were able to concisely sum up one of the most
important issues that we face as Americans, namely, the erosion of our
civil liberties, mostly due to fabricated terrorism such as the anthrax
scare and the attacks on 9/11. You talk about the Florida university
professor, Al-Arian, who continues to be victimized by the Feds
although a jury has cleared him of any terrorism charges. [As of August
8, 2008, the Associated Press states, “U.S. District Judge Leonie
Brinkema postponed the trial indefinitely, questioning whether the
government was overeager in filing charges.” –KS]
What was your wake-up call, Dr. Roberts, to the fact that the current
administration was determined to take away the civil liberties of
Roberts: When they responded to
9/11 with the Patriot Act. That document was thick, and it would have
taken months and months to prepare it, yet it came out shortly after
the 9/11 attacks.
Why does combating terrorism require an assault on the Constitution and
the Bill of Rights? It was clear to me that there was an undeclared
On the day of 9/11, I knew right away that something was wrong. I had
been an engineering student at Georgia Tech, and things just didn’t add
up. As I watched the towers fall, I could see that the buildings were
blowing up from the top, at least initially. The airplanes caused
asymmetrical damage, and I don’t think the planes were large enough to
cause the buildings to topple. When you chop a tree down, it doesn’t
blow up, it falls.
The buildings were blowing up, not falling down.
Then when I saw pictures of the alleged terrorists, most of them looked
just like kids. They were small, and airplane passengers wouldn’t have
hesitated to try to take them down. The average American male should
have been able to take care of the hijackers.
And how they could have fooled all of the intelligence agencies, outwit
NORAD, and so on; it just didn’t make any sense.
They were really after our civil liberties. That was their undeclared
agenda. The effect is that no one has any protection under the law.
Sanborn: In your article, you
mention the anthrax scare as being a logical part of the 9/11
“false-flag” series of events. Now that we know the anthrax actually
came from a US government lab and not from an alleged cave in
Afghanistan, the theory seems to hold water. And you point out that
recently scientist Bruce Ivins was implicated in the anthrax case after
his apparent “suicide.”
You also discuss how the Bush administration lied to ABC reporter Brian
Ross by telling him the anthrax was made in Iraq by none other than
Saddam Hussein, thus clearing the way for the US to invade Iraq and to
pass the Patriot Act. Dr. Roberts, are journalists these days in the
habit of simply believing and accepting everything the administration
tells them, or are some of them on the “company” (CIA) payroll?
Roberts: I suspect both. It’s a
corporate-run media, especially since the Clinton administration days,
and many of the journalists act as “disinfo” agents for the government.
Back in the 1970s when I was a Senate aide, I would turn on the TV in
the evening and the news reports would bear no resemblance to what had
actually happened that day. I noticed that there were no journalists in
the gallery, so how had the stories gotten to them? It turned out that
the aides were calling the press, and the journalists were taking the
stories, virtually running them verbatim. Journalists are lazy.
When I was working in the Reagan administration, I noticed that
Stockman, Darman, and Jim Baker had their own special spin on things in
a way that served their own agendas, and not the President’s.
Sanborn: What is clearly
shocking and “in your face” about this administration is the fact that,
as you say, the administration officials wanted for questioning by
Congress (such as Josh Bolten and Harriet Miers) simply refuse to
comply, and that seems to be the end of the story. These officials
demonstrate to us that they believe they are above the law. It brings
to mind the recent flip comment by a shrugging Vice President Dick
Cheney: “So?” That attitude says it all, doesn’t it, Dr. Roberts?
Roberts: They think they’re not
accountable. They use the law against their enemies. The acquiescence
of the Congress is hard to explain, though.
Sanborn: Sometimes I wonder if
the Congress is being bribed or blackmailed. That could explain why
they refuse to stop illegal wars and torture.
Roberts: The purpose of illegal
spying is to get blackmail information on members of Congress, and it
started well before 9/11.
Sanborn: You say that no amount
of evidence would convince the American public that their government,
or rogue elements therein, would ever have been involved in 9/11 or the
anthrax scare. It almost sounds like Americans have been brainwashed to
a certain extent. Dr. Roberts, why can’t the US populace get their
minds around the fact that we are losing our rights by the day, and
that this so-called “war on terror” is the root cause?
Roberts: Most of them think
that because they aren’t doing anything wrong, they have nothing to
fear. I would ask them this: Why did the founding fathers write the
Americans believe that they are the salt of the earth, and that “Evil
tries to get us because we are so good.” Bush says, “They hate us for
our freedoms.” That’s a farce.
Sanborn: Let’s assume that the
Bush administration hasn’t had their fill of power quite yet. Based on
everything we’ve seen so far, it might not be a stretch to speculate
that Bush and company might wish to contrive an “event” in order to
suspend the upcoming elections and to remain in control of the White
House. What say you, Dr. Roberts, to this possibility?
Roberts: I think it is a
possibility. I warned of this back in ’06, I believe. The event would
have to do with Iran. However, we’ve run out of allies to attack Iran,
except for Israel. Attacking Iran would cause more blowback than we
could manage, and we can’t get Russia or China to go along with our
administration’s desire to attack Iran. We can’t push the Chinese or
the Russians around in any way.
People may wake up to the truth yet. Ron Suskind’s new book, The Way of
the World, is powerful. [He states that the Bush administration
produced a fake letter claiming to demonstrate a link between Saddam
Hussein and al-Qaida, in order to justify war with Iraq. There was no
such link. –KS]
The frame-up of a dead man, Ivins, in the anthrax case isn’t working
with knowledgeable people, either. Ivins couldn’t have done it because
he worked in labs that made vaccines, and he didn’t have the special
equipment necessary to make the anthrax.
Sanborn: By the way, Dr.
Roberts, I wonder what your take is on the recent news that former
astronaut Dr. Edgar Mitchell has, once again, stated that there have
been, and still are, alien visitors to Earth. Could this “aliens are
officially real” story magically evolve into a fake “alien invasion” to
replace the faux -and failed- “war on terror” gambit?
Roberts: I don’t think they
could fake an alien attack. No one would expect the Bush administration
to be able to defeat an alien invasion.
Sanborn: Switching topics now,
I wanted to ask you about the state of our rather perilous economy.
Because you are an economic expert (the “Father of Reaganomics,” I’m
told), what is your opinion on where the economy is headed?
Roberts: The US economy is in
serious trouble. They need to keep interest rates low to bail out all
those exotic securities and products, and, at the same time, the
government can finance the budget only by foreign borrowing. The
inflation rate is higher than our bond interest rate, so foreigners
lose money when they sell the bonds. We’re probably engineering deals
now with the United Arab Emirates and the Saudis to buy our bonds.
A higher interest rate will worsen the economy, but it’s already going
down the drain even with low interest rates.
In addition, most of the good jobs are shipped out of the country, and
the remaining good jobs are filled with foreigners on work visas. In
the 21st century, no net new jobs were created except in non-tradable,
low-paid, domestic services.
Sanborn: Is this all by design,
or just pure ineptness?
Roberts: I think it’s hubris.
They don’t realize the effects of what they’re doing. They want to
plunder while they’re in office, and give to their rich friends.
Sanborn: You make it clear, Dr.
Roberts, that you believe we are running out of time. At what point
will it be too late to take action? How much time do we have left, in
your opinion, before all of our rights are stripped away?
Roberts: One more Republican to
the Supreme Court will mean the end of civil liberties, the end of
separation of powers, and the end of constitutional government.
The neocons would love to attack Iran, and have Iran retaliate. They
could use any retaliation as an excuse to nuke Iran. The neocons are
dying to use nuclear weapons. They’d love it if our aircraft carriers
in the Gulf were sunk, because we could turn around and nuke Iran. I
think that’s the scenario of Dick Cheney, the Weekly Standard, Bill
O’Reilly, and others.
I don’t know if Iran realizes its peril.
But, as I’ve said earlier, attacking Iran would cause more blowback
than we could handle.
Sanborn: Americans in the know
always ask, “What can we do?”
Roberts: It’s almost impossible
for us to do anything. We can vote, but votes are decided at the
beginning of the election by the programming of the Diebold electronic
Some people have written off democracy, honesty, and integrity . . .
When you have corruption in the people themselves, it’s hard to do
something about corruption in government.
I can’t say I’m hopeful, but the administration’s way is not as clear
as it was on 9/11.
Sanborn: Dr. Roberts, thank you
for spending time with me today.
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Kathy Sanborn is an author,
journalist, and recording artist. Currently Kathy is working on a new
recording project, slated for completion in 2008.
© 2008 Kathy Sanborn
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